It's time everyone knew.  There's a traitor in our midst, known to most of you as Discofunk.
I thought this was someone that we as remorse could trust, but i've been proven wrong.
Fair warning to all of you.  What follows are excerpts of conversations that will show you
what i mean.

Session Start: Wed Oct 28 14:53:25 1998
Session Ident: disco74 (~disco@ts7-5t-27.idirect.com)
[14:53] <disco74> dont tell anyone, but karma's close to death.. Mankind said to volatile (and then i asked him about it) that he would ask to merge into some group.. and when i asked him about it(mankind) he just said it was hypothetical(sp?) .. But i've been hearing they dont even have enough art for a small pack, like a 20k pack.. And everyone's been slacking off.. etc..
<whirr> uh huh.
<whirr> how very interesting.
<whirr> now how to use that to our advantage...
[14:54] <disco74> i have plans.. 
[14:54] <disco74> well, i'll tell you.  But if it fails basically we're screwed (not remorse, me and bj)..
<whirr> ah
[14:55] <disco74> yeah, we're planning the downfall of karma, and planning the rise of aspire.. 
<whirr> basically just shifting the artists over?
[14:56] <disco74> no..
[14:56] <disco74> basically killing karma, and not shifting artists over, giving them no other oportunity
[14:57] <disco74> and behind bj's back i'm going to do it with psylock..
[14:57] <disco74> yeah, but i have other motifs than just to make the rise of aspire..
[14:58] <disco74> My plans aswell, are to plan the downfall of mimic, one step at a time..
<whirr> and i'll leave it at that.
[14:58] <disco74> i'm evil.. 
<whirr> haha
[14:58] <disco74> I'm going to try and do what sargon couldn't do.
[14:59] <disco74> you do know what sargon wanted to do right?
<whirr> i may have at some point.
<whirr> but i have no clue any more.
<whirr> i'm not sure i cared either. :)
[14:59] <disco74> he wanted to control the scene..
[15:00] <disco74> have one giant super group..
<whirr> huh.
<whirr> i don't know if i like that idea.
[15:00] <disco74> he manipulated 3 small groups to form serial..
[15:01] <disco74> and with the serial/kwest merger he would have had that super group
[15:01] <disco74> but cain backed out at the last second..
[15:01] <disco74> they wanted somethign to compete with remorse, but in actuality that group would have crushed remorse.  It was insane, 40+ ascii artists, all top quality..
<whirr> hah, such a shame we never found out. ;)
[15:02] <disco74> meatpod, sargon, cain, discyple, the prodigy, konami, polymorph all would have been in the group.
[15:02] <disco74> even i would have been in the group, but i quit serial because of it..
[15:03] <disco74> basically because he didnt tell me about it..
<whirr> haha
[15:05] <disco74> yeah, I just want to see if i can do it..
[15:05] <disco74> If i cant, or it becomes too difficult, i'm going to drop it
<whirr> but you have to see where the first step leads.
[15:05] <disco74> that is true..
[15:06] <disco74> and the first step is the karma death.. and we havent done anything with that yet, and it's basically killing itself..
<whirr> sometimes that's the best way to do it.
[15:08] <disco74> yeah, But.. I dont know why i'm even talking about it.. meh..
[15:08] <disco74> who cares.

I didn't think much of this, seeing as we'd been doing good things with remorse,
but then this happened, so i had to follow it up:

<a_spnsis> Well, I'm leaving Remorse after this pack, just thought you wanted to know, you seen kinda idle right now. we'll talk more later. .
<whirr> alright, let's talk about this.  are you one of the artists that is buying into disco's latest brainchild?
<a_spnsis> haha
<a_spnsis> not really, I turned him down :)

and then, i get into this conversation with another source:

Session Start: Fri Nov 27 21:28:52 1998
Session Ident: anonymous source
<anonymous> Hrm..
<anonymous> I know most of it.
<anonymous> Why? :)
<whirr> i'm just trying to prepare an appropriate reaction.
<whirr> i doubted that you would be freely forthcoming with information. hah.
<anonymous> Well. .. I'm not one to backstab, and he did tell me not to tell anyone :)
<anonymous> But.
<anonymous> I'll answer yes & no questions :)
<anonymous> Since I feel you should know.
<whirr> alright.
<whirr> and i'll trust that the answers will be truthful. :)
<anonymous> They will
<anonymous> If I can't answer them, I won't :)
<anonymous> The only thing stopping dave from doing whatever he's going to do (heh) is me.
<anonymous> Me, and me alone :)
<anonymous> He's .. trying to butter me up.
<anonymous> So to speak.
<whirr> are the rumors that he's been trying to get people to leave rmrs (or any other group) for this group?
<anonymous> are they what? true?
<whirr> yeah, true.
<whirr> oops.
<whirr> i was starting my next thought.
<whirr> and that thought was that i recall him speaking of trying to pick up where sargon left off.
<anonymous> Lets just say this, no one has technically quit.
<anonymous> And, no one will quit if I do something, which I could very well do :)
<anonymous> Then again, do I care about the scene that much? :)
<whirr> hahaha
<anonymous> If dave does what he plans to do, there will be *a lot* of shit going down.
<whirr> one of the pieces i was fed was that cat-dog was a part of this.  yes/no?
<anonymous> You remember odelay, right? :)
<whirr> indeed i do remember odelay.
<anonymous> You know that odelay is local to me, right?
<whirr> ayup.
<whirr> oh lord.
<anonymous> started by prodigy & disco, mostly run by prodigy.
<anonymous> both local to me :)
<whirr> i dunno if i like where this is going. :)
<anonymous> And you know that I was apart of it from a very early start too.
<anonymous> I joined around pack 3.
<anonymous> stayed till pack 8 or so.
<anonymous> anyways, the reason odelay was good was because of its foundation & because of prodigy.
<anonymous> mostly prodigy
<anonymous> well, what would happen if one of the original people who started odelay brought it back, and secretly stole members until it was ready to release?
<anonymous> (kinda like mimic)
<anonymous> but on a much larger scale.
<whirr> hahaha
<anonymous> Note: I didn't tell you anything, I'm just asking questions :)
<whirr> not that i find this particular instance funny.
<whirr> is nahal involved in this?
<anonymous> I don't think so
<anonymous> cat-dog might be.
<anonymous> I know most of the members that will leave remorse for the new odelay.
<anonymous> I also know mimic members that will
<anonymous> and karma members.
<anonymous> and others.
<anonymous> I think you've gotta get your members into shape, tell them what's up, tell them to think about anything before it happens.
<blk_jack> I'm going to do the same, just not right yet.
<whirr> what would your relation to it be if you're still leading mimic?
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<anonymous> I wouldn't be, if what dave wants, happens.
<anonymous> Here's whats up
<anonymous> I don't care if you know
<blk_jack> as long as you don't tell anyone
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<blk_jack> or say anything to anyone that I said shit.
<blk_jack> since I probably know the most about this than anyone else :)
<whirr> hey, i have a shitload of info that i haven't told anyone.
<blk_jack> including disco
<blk_jack> since I've talked to others.
<whirr> but it's the info that i've gathered that has led here.
<blk_jack> Led to me? :)
<whirr> well, you were a shot in the dark.
<blk_jack> :)
<blk_jack> Ok, here's the deal
<whirr> mainly because he kept saying 'i talk to bj, our risk, two years', etc etc.
<blk_jack> join #jesusfuck

Session Start: Fri Nov 27 21:40:33 1998
* Logging #jesusfuck to '#jesusfuck.log'
*** blk_jack sets mode: +o whirr
<blk_jack> Ok
<blk_jack> cuz I have to keep pressing TAB
<blk_jack> to msg you
<whirr> okay
<blk_jack> and  I might get disco by accident
<blk_jack> since he's also msging me :)
<whirr> haha
<whirr> alright
Session Start: Fri Nov 27 21:41:06 1998
Session Close: Fri Nov 27 21:41:06 1998

<blk_jack> (:) *message(whirr[whirr@no.remorse.org]) mainly because he kept saying 'i
<blk_jack>           talk to bj, our risk, two years', etc etc. 
<blk_jack> who said that?
<blk_jack> disco?
<whirr> oh.
<whirr> yeah, disco.
<whirr> it's in a log from october.
<whirr> all about trying to help out aspire and shit.
<whirr> you and him.
<blk_jack> Oh
<blk_jack> That has nothing to do with this.
<whirr> which is why i figured you'd know what was up.
<blk_jack> That's gone, since I've given up on gwydian.
<blk_jack> Disco calls me a lot.
<blk_jack> Almost daily.
<blk_jack> Mind you, I talk to konami the most.
<blk_jack> Out of everyone local & non-local.
<blk_jack> I talk to meatpod, s2n & disco second most
<blk_jack> Anyways
<blk_jack> What do you know?  Like, what do you think?
<blk_jack> Cuz I don't just wanna straight out tell you everything he's planned for the past 3 months :)
<blk_jack> I know ALL about what dave wants to do.
<blk_jack> And I suspect konami knows even more than I know.
<blk_jack> Btw, konami quit mimic.
<blk_jack> to release solo.
<blk_jack> Remember, konami was a foundation of odelay
<blk_jack> as 'seraphim'.
<blk_jack> so was s2n though
<whirr> basically this is what i've heard.
<blk_jack> somewhat.
<blk_jack> nosanity was too, but he's long gone.
<whirr> disco has been approaching rmrs members to join a new group.
<blk_jack> Uh huh, true.
<whirr> he is gonna keep the group a secret until it's ready to release, at which point he'll bail from rmrs.
<whirr> which makes me look like an idiot.
<blk_jack> He just called me.
<blk_jack> we're talking
<whirr> and i'm not about to have that.
<blk_jack> I'm not telling him anything about this
<blk_jack> as far as he knows, I'm searching for deadlock asciis.
<whirr> good, because i won't tell him about this. :)
<blk_jack> ok
<blk_jack> :)
<whirr> i've spoken with a number of artists and asked them if they've hooked up with this new group.
<whirr> instead of doing the smart thing and saying 'what group?', they've said 'not really' or 'no'.
<whirr> way to keep a secret. w00.
<blk_jack> haha
<blk_jack> right.
<whirr> cat-dog won't talk about it.
<whirr> nahal won't talk about it.
<whirr> conveniently, cat-dog just resigned from rmrs a few days ago.
<blk_jack> He just gave me a list of members.
<blk_jack> from remorse
<blk_jack> and karma
<blk_jack> and mimic
<whirr> i have to assume that this continues in the vein of sargon's idea for a supergroup.
<blk_jack> kinda
<blk_jack> I don't think this has anything to do with sargon though
<whirr> i doubt it does, but disco is hooked on the idea of 'supergroup', and he keeps referring back to 'sargon's plan' when he talked of it.
<blk_jack> hrm
<whirr> now you're okay with knowing that he's taking your artists?
<whirr> or did i miss something.
<blk_jack> No
<blk_jack> He wants me to merge mimic into the new odelay
<blk_jack> and I'd be a normal member
<blk_jack> and he'd massregulate through mimic's roster.
<whirr> how very gracious of him.
<blk_jack> yah
<blk_jack> well
<blk_jack> if I don't do it.. I dunno what he's gonna try & do
<blk_jack> He wants me to do it, cuz he knows that I'm only in the scene still for 1 reason
<blk_jack> and that's mimic
<whirr> but wouldn't merging mean giving that up?
<blk_jack> Yup
<blk_jack> It would mean me .. quitting the scene.
<blk_jack> basically
<blk_jack> I wouldn't head the new odelay
<whirr> well that's fucked.
<blk_jack> he just asked "Why are you reluclant to kill off mimic"
<whirr> uh huh.
<blk_jack> then he goes "you know, you wouldn't kill it off"
<whirr> mimic is viable.
<blk_jack> "basically, with our combined forces, we would have the #1 art group in the scene"
<blk_jack> viable?
<blk_jack> I'm quoting him
<whirr> as in 'don't kill it off'.
<whirr> as long as it's vigorous, why do anything to it?
<blk_jack> oh
<whirr> do you just talk to him, or is he a friend?
<blk_jack> I don't plan to
<blk_jack> I thought about it when he first suggested it.
<blk_jack> I consider him a friend.
<blk_jack> But, he's a bit messed up
<whirr> i wouldn't have thought too much of this, except that so far he has zero subs for rmrs28.
<whirr> i found that odd.
<whirr> which suggested he was getting ready to act soom.
<whirr> soon.
<blk_jack> you know why?
<blk_jack> You know why he's like this now?
<blk_jack> You wanna know why he's doing this?
<blk_jack> I know all about it.
<whirr> part of me wants to say that it's because wh0d told him to stop "fucking experimenting".
<blk_jack> :)
<blk_jack> It's because of this
<blk_jack> when he joined remorse, he wanted to take it over
<whirr> and he essentially said that on the mailing list when there wasn't any leadership.  about how he wanted to do it.
<whirr> but i beat him to it.
<whirr> plus i got all the support. :)
<blk_jack> hrm
<whirr> i still have a copy of that message too.
<blk_jack> he was pissed that whodini always threatens to take his masters.
<whirr> now that's new info.
<blk_jack> he's pissed that he doesn't get to do shit, but he thinks he does everything in remorse
<blk_jack> (recruiting, gathering subs, etc)
<blk_jack> he told me this month he wasn't gonna do a thing about that
<blk_jack> he told me he wanted to join mimic, too
<blk_jack> but then he got this idea where he would make odelay
<whirr> he doesn't get to do shit?
<whirr> excuse me?
<whirr> every fucking month, i ask him if there's something he wants to do or say.
<whirr> he says no.
<whirr> and then he goes and recruits without asking anyone.
<whirr> like cat-dog.
<whirr> i show up one day to see "i let cat-dog in to remorse.".
<whirr> and that's it.
<blk_jack> hrm
<whirr> which leads me to think that he outright stole an app from me.
<blk_jack> sorry, back
<whirr> just yesterday i think.
<whirr> someone wanted to apply to remorse, i said send to me, he said "no, just send it to me".
<whirr> and i haven't seen the app yet.
<whirr> or any mention of it.
<whirr> how odd.
<blk_jack> hrm
<blk_jack> weird
<blk_jack> he's past remorse now
<blk_jack> he's totally given up on it
<blk_jack> there are only 2 people that have said no to his supergroup
<blk_jack> joining it
<blk_jack> he has like, 10 remorse members.
<blk_jack> that'll join
<blk_jack> and 2 mimic members.
<blk_jack> and like
<blk_jack> 5 karma members.
<whirr> okay, it's time to move on this.
<whirr> i'm tired of this shit.
<blk_jack> well
<blk_jack> whirr
<blk_jack> don't let it out that I said shit :)
<blk_jack> if anyone, blame dezibel
<blk_jack> he's a dumb euro
<blk_jack> hehe
<whirr> hahaha
<whirr> blk_jack: i don't reveal my sources.
<blk_jack> well
<whirr> if i qoute anyone, i edit the names anyway.
<blk_jack> I could name off the rmrs members for you
<whirr> hah.
<blk_jack> BTW
<blk_jack> nahal is in on this.
<blk_jack> I think he's a senior
<blk_jack> lemme ask
<whirr> that's what i figured.
<whirr> up until now, i've been "nice guy whirr".
<blk_jack> ditto :P
<whirr> i've never had to be "petty vindictive whirr".
<blk_jack> I haven't done anything drastic
<blk_jack> no reason to
<whirr> now i do.
<blk_jack> but now
<whirr> and it's such a shame.
<blk_jack> people are stealing my members left right & center.
<blk_jack> you know
<blk_jack> I'm tempted to join remorse
<blk_jack> but like
<blk_jack> mimic is my baby
<blk_jack> and I can't leave it :)
<whirr> actually, i'll hold off on petty vindictive whirr.
<whirr> and if you feel like offering, i'm interested in some names.
<whirr> and i'll tell you who from mimic is considering leaving so you can talk to them.
<whirr> wink wink. :)
<blk_jack> want me to name names?
<whirr> damn right.  mccarthyism kicks ass.
<whirr> i'm not gonna bitch at them, but i'd be interested in knowing why.
<whirr> and my devious nature would have me pretend i don't know what they're doing.
<blk_jack> ok
<blk_jack> prst
<blk_jack> brane
<whirr> i can be such a bastard, that's why i'm a teacher.
<whirr> prst i suspected, but he said no.
* blk_jack thinks
<blk_jack> who else
<whirr> brane i haven't seen in a while.
<blk_jack> I forget the remorse members.
<blk_jack> konami isn't in this
<whirr> if you need a list to look at, check members.home.net/remorse.ascii :)
<blk_jack> ok
<whirr> it's loading slow for some reason.
<zh:#remorse> hey whirr. hey whirr.
<whirr> and anyone who has said they're leaving isn't in the member listing.
<blk_jack> ok here goes
<blk_jack> arlequin, cain
<blk_jack> polymorph
<whirr> cain?
<whirr> CAIN?
<blk_jack> biogen
<whirr> that would be why he was so eager to tell disco i wanted him as a senior.
<whirr> fuck.
<blk_jack> pixel pusher
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<blk_jack> pariah might
<whirr> pariah won't.
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