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editorial
demonews
party on!
weekly
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!: editorial :
I know! I know!
Sorry...
Anyways... I dont know what to write... Oh yeah... I got some
feedback to introoweek text. Not good! ONCE AGAIN I PLEA FOR HELP
on the introoweek and modoweek!
Im kind of tired of saying always the same stuff every-week so
this time ill just dump some mindless giberish on the editorial!
some mindless giberish here
There! I feel better now... Of back to studying. Hope you all
forgive and forget the mailing-list thingie and enjoy yet another
issue of demojournal! Feel happy and stuff...
Psychic Symphony
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!: demonews :
Yez had this to say:
omnicolour news :
pill also some time ago known as visual/floppynah kolor has been
REMOVED from the list of omnicolour members thank you for your
cooperation, have a nice and successful REAL life pal
current memberlist looks like this :
cortez swapp,net
jlt programming
spk graphics
xhyp music
yez music, organizing
thank you for your attention ed: your welcome!
And Trajic/Rhyme felt like contributing aswell:
CHROME - they did not release their new production called MOON
yet, but they announce the new project, an artdisk of the most
popular hungarian pixelartist and hobby-musician ENOK! The title and
the details are classified yet... http://www.scene-hu.com
You might want to check out what Jace/TBL thinks about TP8 organizers
http://members.xoom.com/JaceTBL/demo.html
And finally, coders@EFnet homepage lives:
http://coderz.cjb.net
And now here is Dave/Phymosys with own little corner:
News from SPAIN:
I DAVE / PhyMosys have made public Kame Graphics Viewer v0.05.
Here I have included a short description.
KAME Graphics Viewer
Full compatible with DOS, WIN95
and WIN98 GUI oriented viewer
for Pentium processors which
allows you to read image formats.
It also lets you to make
special effects mainly filters.
Download and check it now!
Available on:
http://come.to/davecorner
Finally Aktiv started coding and making gfx for a MusicDisk from
PhyMosys. We hope it will be also available at the begining of
February.
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!: party on! :
starts !! ends !! location !! name !! contact !
Dec 12 - Dec 13, 1998 Slovenia Abort 98 http://gw2.s-gimb.lj.edus.si/abort98/
Dec 15 - Dec 17, 1998 Israel Movement 98 http://scene-central.com/partyspecial/mov98/info.html
Dec 18 - Dec 20, 1998 Hungary JuMPer 98 http://scene-hu.com/jumper
Dec canceled , 1998 Poland Freeside98 http://freeside.dr.pl
Dec 19 - Dec 20, 1998 Romania Dracula 98
Dec 20 - Dec 20, 1998 Russia EarthQuake 99 www.crosswinds.net/russia/earthquake/
Dec 25 - Dec 27, 1998 Argentina The Flash 98 theflashparty.home.ml.org
Dec 27 - Dec 29, 1998 Denmark The Party 1998 http://www.theparty.dk
! present time !
Jan 15 - Jan 17, 1999 Finland Elevator 99 http://www.elevator.labra.com
Jan 29 - Jan 31, 1999 Hungary Contest 99
Jan 29 - Jan 31, 1999 Sweden Midwinter 99 hack.amiga-cg.se/midwinter
Feb 19 - Feb 21, 1999 France Volcanic 99
Feb 26 - Feb 28, 1998 Holland Ambience 99 http://overflow.hro.nl/ambience
Mar ?? - ??? ??, 1999 Italy Trip 99 www.nigma.it/trip99
Mar ?? - ??? ??, 1999 Poland Astrosyn 99
Mar 31 - Apr 04, 1999 Norway The Gathering 99
Apr 02 - Apr 05, 1999 Germany Mekka Symp. 2k-1 http://ms.demo.org
Apr 16 - Apr 18, 1999 France Arf!Party
May 29 - May 30, 1999 Germany Komso/Neithernor99 http://neithernor.demo.org
Jun 04 - Jun 06, 1999 Holland Takeover 99 http://www.takeover.nl
Jun 17 - Jun 20, 1999 Sweden Remedy 99 http://www.remedy.nu
Jul 09 - Jul 11, 1999 Belgium Inscene 99 www.analogica.com/inscene
Jul 09 - Jul 10, 1999 UK Dejavu 99 http://www.dejavu.org.uk
??? ?? - ??? ??, 1999 France Slach 2 www.mygale.org/myke666
??? ?? - ??? ??, 1999 Hungary Rage-Scenest99
Sep 04 - Sep 05, 1999 Portugal DemoPorto 99 demoporto99@hotmail.com
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!: weekly :
This week! I have been mostly eating... white rice!
! interview !
Session Start: Wed Jan 06 04:01:32 1999
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flex yo..
PsychicS hello
flex hit it
PsychicS 1st and in like all interviews... why the hell are you
up at 5am???
flex Hehe, i code, so naturally i twist my life-cycle..
PsychicS can you please tell us who you are and what is it you
do?
flex My name is Stefan Sandberg 19 years old.. In real life
im more or less out of work, but im involved in this weird
program where we can do basically anything we want and get
paid for it.. So we nagged a while and finally we got 2
computers and a compiler, so now were doing a TG-demo for
cash!, so expect a great demo..
PsychicS humm... your doing a demo for cash?
Thats interesting!!! where do i sign in? :D
flex Yeah, we decided that the coolest thing to do a project
about was a TG-demo.. So were working from 08:30 - 16:00,
5 days a week, and get 2000:- a month for doing it not
that great, but since i would be doing it at home anyway,
its perfect..
hehe its a EU-project in sweden
PsychicS oh yes! you are swedish... tell us about sweden and its
scene
flex Well, the swedish scene is afraid of alcohol, which isnt
really my style.. and alot of people are too unserious,
they come to a party just to release crap productions that
are never ment to really compete.. But the serious groups
in sweden i think are heading really high... watch out, dear
finns..
PsychicS haha... what about the background? can you tell us about
the background of the swedish scene, along with yours
since your at it
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PsychicS flex: its ur interview! kick the intruders if you
want! :D
*** Mr has left demojournal ed: that was fun!
flex Well, i didnt start releasing stuff until oh, 1996 i think,
but i was very interested in the scene before that.. We all
remember Cascada for example.. theyre somewhat the backbone
of the swedish scene i think.. I like many others got
the urge to start coding effects for real after i saw
Second reality back in 93. although i didnt see it until
94, on my friends deadly quich 386..
naa, they can watch.,as long as they shuttup
PsychicS ick! another case of i saw 2nd reality and wanted to do
that! ?
flex hehe yup
i still think its a great demo..
PsychicS no amiga days for you then?
flex no, i have never owned an amiga, but i had my very first
coding-attempts on a vic20..
PsychicS vic20? whats that?
flex we actually just had a discussion about doing Second reality
in 64kb..
the tiny little computah that came before the c-64 oh, 20
years ago..
PsychicS humm... dont know my tiny computah history :
oh well... back to nowdays... what have you released?
flex hmm ive released a few demos and a few intros...
dunno how many right now..
PsychicS take your time to count...
flex 3-4 intros at least i think..
i have 13 directories in my c:developdemoprojects
anyway.
seems to be accurate.
am i supposed to know these things? poor orange tpolm.
* flex lights a cigarette..
PsychicS haha
PsychicS dont u know those things can kill ya? cigars i mean
flex im thinking about getting a beer too.. i have a few now
after the party..
PsychicS ok... oh yeah... u went to the party 8! tell us about
the enviroment
flex who wants to live forever.
with powerful background-music
PsychicS hehe
flex tp this year was really neat.. since i had my demo done
prior to the party, i could spend more time boozing and
meeting people instead of sitting coding all the time.
The best part i think was when Poison/Inf got back from the
hospital.. he got so damn drunk the cops fetched him and put
him in the hospital over night.. thats what i call party
spirit. But i really hate the party organizers, its
the second year in a row damn its hard typing with this
cigarette , that theyve screwed up our contribution..
Last year they -forgot- to show our intro, so half the
audience had left by the time it started.. and this year
they showed our demo with lousy sound more like random
noise in just the right speaker at 50 the volume..
PsychicS and what place did you get with that?
flex thats why the demo placed 16 out of 20 which in my
opinion isnt giving the demo justice..
i was aiming at like.. 5-6th or so..
PsychicS i agree with you on that! but ofcourse i like 80 of the
demos i see so... :P
flex hehe most demos are great, as long as they are serious..
PsychicS and what about the top ones? care to say a few words
about them?
flex i personally dont think the winning demo should win...
sure it was very fun and great code, but its not a winning
type demo.. Bombs State of mind on the other hand is very
damn nice.. great code and great music.. And i also think
Infs Yume2 should have gotten a more fair treatment than
4th. I -love- that tune Aikawa Nanase
PsychicS i still cant see infs :
flex mp3 tracks are the wave of the future.. were having mp3
music on our tg-demo for example..
well, kravitz is working on a final now... should be
available soon ed: i cant wait!!!
PsychicS what about blasphemy+purple? what do you think of it?
flex i was abit dissapointed about blasphemy/purples demo..
When i first heard that they were doing a coop, i though
something like Plastik + Lois Lane powah!, but it wasnt
near my expectations.. but its still a good demo..
PsychicS why mp3?
flex mp3 lets the musicians deal with midi for example.. they
dont have to think about size in the same way, and best
of all mp3 allows vocals!.. vocals are imo the thing thats
missing in most demos.
flex its alittle too much to have commercial music as
demo-tracks though..
I dont think anyone dissagrees that bombs and infs demos
have the best music in a demo ever.. even if they are
commercial tracks..
PsychicS humm... yeah... vocals can grab attention indeed
what are your favorite scene coders/gfx/musicians?
flex My favourite coder has to be Statix.. i just cant grasp
that guys enormous brain!
PsychicS haha
flex Best graphician i think is Made or Sunday... Sunday has a
really great style and he doesnt repaint scans... Oh, and
i must say a few words about our graphician, NamNam... He is
very talented and he -never- repaints pics or scans.. He
does everything either straight from his head or from some
kind of picture he has seen... If he would redraw a scan, he
would most probably be around the best gfx dudes around..
Its nothing i encourage him to do though, since its
-abit- lame..
i really enjoy Mufflers music right now.. And Balrog has
nice variations in his tunes.. balrog never makes 2 mods
sound the same...
PsychicS i seen some of his pics on bloccs demos.. superfish had
some nice manga-style girls. was that him? or baloo?
flex no, that was NamNam..
a few words about planet superfish.. That demo isnt
really anything im proud over.. its way to messy..
but the noizy 3d-wireobject is cool
PsychicS yeah... u seem to like balrog... how many co-ops have
you done with him? 2?
u dont have much pride on your stuff do you?
flex hmm Ive made one demo together with Balrog i think..
w8 have to chech to be sure
PsychicS i think 2!
flex no, w8 2 demos with balrog.
na, ive never done anything that i can say ah, this is
me, and i cant do anything better... i always do too
short demos too, imo..
PsychicS humm... ur still after your second reality... :
flex hehe yeah.. i have this dream to like.. win assembly with
100 of the votes.
what coder doesnt?
PsychicS hahaha
i would be happy to just get a big-demo out! :D
anyways... more questions...
flex just get to it.
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altemarq FLEX AR NAKEN ed: what the?!?
*** altemarq has left demojournal
PsychicS time for demojournal youll never guess it top-quizz
PsychicS 1 what does FLEX AR NAKEN mean? ed: yeah...
flex i really have no idea.. ed: that bad, hei?
PsychicS 2 whats the capital of madagascar?
flex can u wait a few minutes on that one?
w8, isnt madagascar an island belonging to another country?
PsychicS no. its independent...
and its a damn big island!!!
flex like.. it doesnt have a capital?
ok, darn. hehehe that much i know.
PsychicS 3 whats the medium rain/cm3 per year on sweden?
flex hmm i would say around 20cm or so... maybe its more, i hate
the swedish weather.
hmm that doesnt sound alot, does it?
maybe 200cm? haha
PsychicS er... no it doesnt...
no wait... i got it wrong! ed: stupid!
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*** whzGARLIC has left demojournal ed: what is this? open season?
PsychicS its ccs per cm3 anyways...
flex hmm yeah, then 20cm sounds reasonable.
PsychicS 4 whats the flying speed of a seagull?
flex depends on if its an african or european seagull.
PsychicS 5 if a plane with english and french passengers crashes
on the swiss/germany frontier, where are the survivors
burried?
PsychicS flex: hei! u seen monthy pythons!!!! :P
editor: i think in the movie it was not about seagulls but some
other bird... never the less, nice one flex!
flex bury the survivors? sounds abit nasty..
PsychicS of course you realize i must kill you now dont you? :P
flex no! no! i have a wife and kids!
PsychicS u do? :P
you have a family picture to prove that?
flex hmm no.. that was just a defense mechanism.
PsychicS hehe what about your real life? no luck with the opposite
sex? :
flex naa, im actually blessed with a great exterior...
i dont have problems getting girls, to be honest..
editor: and you expect us to believe that?
PsychicS seeing anyone right now?
flex that doesnt sound right, but its true..
PsychicS haha
flex yeah, but shes ILL!.. its called kartel-feber in swedish..
so i cant see her for like.. 3 weeks or so, and she cant
drink any alcohol in 6 months.
PsychicS : too bad ed: the alcohol part of course!
flex yeah
PsychicS i think im running out of questions
care to say hello to someone?
flex Are these questions made out for you, or are you figuring
them out as you go along?
running out of questions- sounds like you reached the end
of the paper or something.
PsychicS no no... but i have done so many interviews i already
know the typical questions
flex hehe ok thee greetings then:
PsychicS its always... who are you, what u done lately, what do
you like doing, what u plan to do for the future, thats
nice... care to say grtx? ed: yeah... me too! ?
flex Id like to say hi to all the serious scene-people out
there, keep up da great work, lads!. And to all my
non-scene friends.. Happy 20th birthday Martin.... Oh,
and ofcourse my friends in the scene... And all the girls
i know and will get to know in the future aswell..
PsychicS hehe
flex Lets make the scene come alive for real the next millenium..
PsychicS care to say anything else? any free advertisement and
stuff?
flex Hm... Drink more alcohol! It feeds the cortex with needed
basic stuff for wonderful demo-ideas!
PsychicS haha! is beer better than vodka or not?
flex im not so keen on vodka.. but id rather drink a bottle of
tequilla than 20 beers!
tequilla rules..
PsychicS ok... i guess this is it
leave some urls or email or smtg so ppl can get in
touch
flex i think this is to long for any normal person to read
already. yeah, my email addy is mjflex@hotmail.com...
thats about it i guess..
gonna put up some blocc homepage someday too..
www.blocc.gov or something
PsychicS haha ok! :
thx for your time! :
flex great.. no prob.. !
Session Close: Wed Jan 06 05:07:26 1999
! demo !
2 by Eastgate final-version
Found on www.hornet.org.
Hornet is still up and www.scene.org is down... Its a conspiracy!
1st place at Scene Strike 3.
System requirements:
5 MB HD, some memory...
recommended: VESA2 8-bit mode available according .nfo-file,
pentium 166
The demo:
It starts with a colorfull plasma-like thingy, then Eastgate is
shown using little blue lights, like some adverts at the street. A
girl-face picture is shown, with some water-effect over it lots of
water in this demo. Thereafter, lots of 3D-objects kick in.
Spikeballs you know, a ball with 6 points, spikes a spikeball
without the ball in water, a cloud of asteroids, ... These are
all quite simple objects, apparently their 3d-engine cant handle
the +10000 face-objects we are used to see in todays demos.
Something original: some golden frames, forming a tunnel, with two
strange-looking spikeballs in it. It took me a while to figure it
out, but these are glass-objects, not just glenz as in the old days,
but really refracting the light in it like a lens-effect.
Also a very nice tunnel, a bit twisted at the edges, is shown
during the greetings.
The music is something electronic, but also relaxed. It fits the
demo but gets a bit repetitive at the end. There are some hand-drawn
gfx of Ilke/plasmaters, an Amiga-graphician, but no compressed video
as in Anger I liked those short clips.
Although there are few repeating parts, I think 2 is a bit short
for a 5-meg demo. Using pkzip, I get a 2-meg zipfile. Maybe they need
to use some compression on there library. And I really hate it when
demos repeat the end until you press ESC. Cant you just crash to
DOS/Win/Linux/... ?
Psychic Symphony recommended me this one, and I really liked it.
Give it a try. ed: I did? Oh yeah... so i did!
Seven
! intro !
* STRIKE *
Its very simple: If no one sends me some modoweek i cannot keep
up with this corner. It has been sufficently proven that i cannot
review intros, for several reasons: 1 i do not know asm so i can not
keep up with size-coding abilities. 2 i dont have GUS so i cannot
hear any sound on most of the intros. 3 people dont like my intro
reviews.
I am asking you to please send your text. Please do not review your
own intros but someone elses you may have liked or have been asked to
review. It is not that hard!
If i dont get any texts i WILL close this corner simply enough!
No matter what people will say! I do admire what people do with only
64k, but we have another example, the gfx of the week! I also am very
fond of viewing others gfx still i do not have a gfxoweek corner.
Why? Because i cannot do a proper review of the pictures and those
who DO can, do not want to write.
One more time, i plea for your help!
Psychic Symphony
! mod !
OK! This week i have something different. Hope you dont hate it!
What i did was go to trax at 6am and asked someone victim is
called goopin about his favorite tune!
PsychicS whats your favorite tracked music? not musician
goopin hmm subbass in my house from keith303
PsychicS why that tune? why do you like it?
goopin lovely rythm!
its very well performed, both melody and rythm
PsychicS what about the samples? can you say something about them?
goopin as we all know, keith is a great sampler
well what more can i say ?
PsychicS goopin: about keith303...
goopin hmmmm okay...
i think keith303 is one of the best trackers on the scene
right, he doesnt release SO often, but when he does....
his tracks are well made.. he takes his time
PsychicS goopin: can u say something more about the tune?
goopin subbas in my house? well no
PsychicS Please try!
goopin hmmm okey, ill try hmmm
its a remix as we all now,
i have said it all
PsychicS if you had read that would you go download subbass in my
house?
goopin psychic: well no
PsychicS there you go... say more!
goopin write like this:
if you want pure house pleasure download this tune, and then
go around and screw ya balls
hehehe :
i would download it RIGHT AWAY
editor: You can find subbass in my house by Keith303 at the
Tokyo Dawn Records homepage: tdr.scene.org Release 33
! quote !
Subject: Re: test message
From:
Reply-To: demoj@scene-hu.com ed: LOOK!!!! REPLY-TO!!!! HINT HINT!!!
To: demoj@scene-hu.com
Why do i have my mailbox full of demoj@scene-hu.com mails?
editor: Whats a mailing list?
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Spamsrus
To all of those who havent noticed it yet, you are all just
spamming some more when you reply to a spam...
I asked for the mailing list, i gave the names off the hotmail
account to the mantainer so he could subscribe everyone in one full
scoop! I did it because: 1 i want my mouse button to live!
2 I dont want to get tendinites just for releasing a newsletter!
3 I got several people complaining that hotmail attachments always
ended up corrupted or ueencoded.
I apologize to everyone for not warning properly everyone of this
mailing-list. I reckonned people would realize that when they seen
the reply of someone posted twice and be smart enough to ignore the
messages. Instead they just complained about getting more mails
which generated more mails and more replys and the rest is history.
Anyways... Let me get this article about mailing lists right so
that there are no more doubts about how it works. Recall that i dont
know much on it aswell. In fact, i would like to encourage someone
to write about them to some diskmag! Anyways...
What is a mailing list? Well... Its very simple. Its a mailing
system that forwards the message you have sent to all the people
who are subscribed to that list! Moving on...
You have a mailing list on a certain domain... For demoj it was
chosen to be scene-hu.com!
All mailing lists on this domain are updated by the majordomo
so that if you want any information about any mailing list on this
domain you get it through majordomo@scene-hu.com.
But how does majordomo work? You write your command on the BODY of
the message! It is important that you do not write it on the subject
or majordomo wont recognize it!!! Examples:
subscribe demoj subscribes you to demoj@scene-hu.com
unsubscribe demoj unsubscribes you to demoj@scene-hu.com
who demoj who is subscribed to demoj@scene-hu.com
Notice no or or whatever!!! Plain command letters only. Now,
the commands of the majordomo depend on what the owner of the domain
set... But for scene-hu.com they are like this! Some domains have
options for choosing which email to subscribe or unsubscribe from the
mailing list.
Also depending on the domain you can get several diferent replys,
some ask for you to retype some data so you can confirm your
subscribing/unsubscribing. Others plain ask for a reply with a blank
message! Its important that you READ what they want!!!
There! I hope some people have become more alert. It still was my
fault because i subscribed everyone without proper warning. But
please direct you anger to me and not the mailing-list! It will only
spam everybody else and wont solve anything...
Psychic Symphony
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editorial
demonews
party on!
weekly
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!: editorial :
I know! I know!
Sorry...
Anyways... I dont know what to write... Oh yeah... I got some
feedback to introoweek text. Not good! ONCE AGAIN I PLEA FOR HELP
on the introoweek and modoweek!
Im kind of tired of saying always the same stuff every-week so
this time ill just dump some mindless giberish on the editorial!
some mindless giberish here
There! I feel better now... Of back to studying. Hope you all
forgive and forget the mailing-list thingie and enjoy yet another
issue of demojournal! Feel happy and stuff...
Psychic Symphony
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!: demonews :
Yez had this to say:
omnicolour news :
pill also some time ago known as visual/floppynah kolor has been
REMOVED from the list of omnicolour members thank you for your
cooperation, have a nice and successful REAL life pal
current memberlist looks like this :
cortez swapp,net
jlt programming
spk graphics
xhyp music
yez music, organizing
thank you for your attention ed: your welcome!
And Trajic/Rhyme felt like contributing aswell:
CHROME - they did not release their new production called MOON
yet, but they announce the new project, an artdisk of the most
popular hungarian pixelartist and hobby-musician ENOK! The title and
the details are classified yet... http://www.scene-hu.com
You might want to check out what Jace/TBL thinks about TP8 organizers
http://members.xoom.com/JaceTBL/demo.html
And finally, coders@EFnet homepage lives:
http://coderz.cjb.net
And now here is Dave/Phymosys with own little corner:
News from SPAIN:
I DAVE / PhyMosys have made public Kame Graphics Viewer v0.05.
Here I have included a short description.
KAME Graphics Viewer
Full compatible with DOS, WIN95
and WIN98 GUI oriented viewer
for Pentium processors which
allows you to read image formats.
It also lets you to make
special effects mainly filters.
Download and check it now!
Available on:
http://come.to/davecorner
Finally Aktiv started coding and making gfx for a MusicDisk from
PhyMosys. We hope it will be also available at the begining of
February.
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!: party on! :
starts !! ends !! location !! name !! contact !
Dec 12 - Dec 13, 1998 Slovenia Abort 98 http://gw2.s-gimb.lj.edus.si/abort98/
Dec 15 - Dec 17, 1998 Israel Movement 98 http://scene-central.com/partyspecial/mov98/info.html
Dec 18 - Dec 20, 1998 Hungary JuMPer 98 http://scene-hu.com/jumper
Dec canceled , 1998 Poland Freeside98 http://freeside.dr.pl
Dec 19 - Dec 20, 1998 Romania Dracula 98
Dec 20 - Dec 20, 1998 Russia EarthQuake 99 www.crosswinds.net/russia/earthquake/
Dec 25 - Dec 27, 1998 Argentina The Flash 98 theflashparty.home.ml.org
Dec 27 - Dec 29, 1998 Denmark The Party 1998 http://www.theparty.dk
! present time !
Jan 15 - Jan 17, 1999 Finland Elevator 99 http://www.elevator.labra.com
Jan 29 - Jan 31, 1999 Hungary Contest 99
Jan 29 - Jan 31, 1999 Sweden Midwinter 99 hack.amiga-cg.se/midwinter
Feb 19 - Feb 21, 1999 France Volcanic 99
Feb 26 - Feb 28, 1998 Holland Ambience 99 http://overflow.hro.nl/ambience
Mar ?? - ??? ??, 1999 Italy Trip 99 www.nigma.it/trip99
Mar ?? - ??? ??, 1999 Poland Astrosyn 99
Mar 31 - Apr 04, 1999 Norway The Gathering 99
Apr 02 - Apr 05, 1999 Germany Mekka Symp. 2k-1 http://ms.demo.org
Apr 16 - Apr 18, 1999 France Arf!Party
May 29 - May 30, 1999 Germany Komso/Neithernor99 http://neithernor.demo.org
Jun 04 - Jun 06, 1999 Holland Takeover 99 http://www.takeover.nl
Jun 17 - Jun 20, 1999 Sweden Remedy 99 http://www.remedy.nu
Jul 09 - Jul 11, 1999 Belgium Inscene 99 www.analogica.com/inscene
Jul 09 - Jul 10, 1999 UK Dejavu 99 http://www.dejavu.org.uk
??? ?? - ??? ??, 1999 France Slach 2 www.mygale.org/myke666
??? ?? - ??? ??, 1999 Hungary Rage-Scenest99
Sep 04 - Sep 05, 1999 Portugal DemoPorto 99 demoporto99@hotmail.com
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!: weekly :
This week! I have been mostly eating... white rice!
! interview !
Session Start: Wed Jan 06 04:01:32 1999
*** flex has joined demojournal
flex yo..
PsychicS hello
flex hit it
PsychicS 1st and in like all interviews... why the hell are you
up at 5am???
flex Hehe, i code, so naturally i twist my life-cycle..
PsychicS can you please tell us who you are and what is it you
do?
flex My name is Stefan Sandberg 19 years old.. In real life
im more or less out of work, but im involved in this weird
program where we can do basically anything we want and get
paid for it.. So we nagged a while and finally we got 2
computers and a compiler, so now were doing a TG-demo for
cash!, so expect a great demo..
PsychicS humm... your doing a demo for cash?
Thats interesting!!! where do i sign in? :D
flex Yeah, we decided that the coolest thing to do a project
about was a TG-demo.. So were working from 08:30 - 16:00,
5 days a week, and get 2000:- a month for doing it not
that great, but since i would be doing it at home anyway,
its perfect..
hehe its a EU-project in sweden
PsychicS oh yes! you are swedish... tell us about sweden and its
scene
flex Well, the swedish scene is afraid of alcohol, which isnt
really my style.. and alot of people are too unserious,
they come to a party just to release crap productions that
are never ment to really compete.. But the serious groups
in sweden i think are heading really high... watch out, dear
finns..
PsychicS haha... what about the background? can you tell us about
the background of the swedish scene, along with yours
since your at it
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PsychicS flex: its ur interview! kick the intruders if you
want! :D
*** Mr has left demojournal ed: that was fun!
flex Well, i didnt start releasing stuff until oh, 1996 i think,
but i was very interested in the scene before that.. We all
remember Cascada for example.. theyre somewhat the backbone
of the swedish scene i think.. I like many others got
the urge to start coding effects for real after i saw
Second reality back in 93. although i didnt see it until
94, on my friends deadly quich 386..
naa, they can watch.,as long as they shuttup
PsychicS ick! another case of i saw 2nd reality and wanted to do
that! ?
flex hehe yup
i still think its a great demo..
PsychicS no amiga days for you then?
flex no, i have never owned an amiga, but i had my very first
coding-attempts on a vic20..
PsychicS vic20? whats that?
flex we actually just had a discussion about doing Second reality
in 64kb..
the tiny little computah that came before the c-64 oh, 20
years ago..
PsychicS humm... dont know my tiny computah history :
oh well... back to nowdays... what have you released?
flex hmm ive released a few demos and a few intros...
dunno how many right now..
PsychicS take your time to count...
flex 3-4 intros at least i think..
i have 13 directories in my c:developdemoprojects
anyway.
seems to be accurate.
am i supposed to know these things? poor orange tpolm.
* flex lights a cigarette..
PsychicS haha
PsychicS dont u know those things can kill ya? cigars i mean
flex im thinking about getting a beer too.. i have a few now
after the party..
PsychicS ok... oh yeah... u went to the party 8! tell us about
the enviroment
flex who wants to live forever.
with powerful background-music
PsychicS hehe
flex tp this year was really neat.. since i had my demo done
prior to the party, i could spend more time boozing and
meeting people instead of sitting coding all the time.
The best part i think was when Poison/Inf got back from the
hospital.. he got so damn drunk the cops fetched him and put
him in the hospital over night.. thats what i call party
spirit. But i really hate the party organizers, its
the second year in a row damn its hard typing with this
cigarette , that theyve screwed up our contribution..
Last year they -forgot- to show our intro, so half the
audience had left by the time it started.. and this year
they showed our demo with lousy sound more like random
noise in just the right speaker at 50 the volume..
PsychicS and what place did you get with that?
flex thats why the demo placed 16 out of 20 which in my
opinion isnt giving the demo justice..
i was aiming at like.. 5-6th or so..
PsychicS i agree with you on that! but ofcourse i like 80 of the
demos i see so... :P
flex hehe most demos are great, as long as they are serious..
PsychicS and what about the top ones? care to say a few words
about them?
flex i personally dont think the winning demo should win...
sure it was very fun and great code, but its not a winning
type demo.. Bombs State of mind on the other hand is very
damn nice.. great code and great music.. And i also think
Infs Yume2 should have gotten a more fair treatment than
4th. I -love- that tune Aikawa Nanase
PsychicS i still cant see infs :
flex mp3 tracks are the wave of the future.. were having mp3
music on our tg-demo for example..
well, kravitz is working on a final now... should be
available soon ed: i cant wait!!!
PsychicS what about blasphemy+purple? what do you think of it?
flex i was abit dissapointed about blasphemy/purples demo..
When i first heard that they were doing a coop, i though
something like Plastik + Lois Lane powah!, but it wasnt
near my expectations.. but its still a good demo..
PsychicS why mp3?
flex mp3 lets the musicians deal with midi for example.. they
dont have to think about size in the same way, and best
of all mp3 allows vocals!.. vocals are imo the thing thats
missing in most demos.
flex its alittle too much to have commercial music as
demo-tracks though..
I dont think anyone dissagrees that bombs and infs demos
have the best music in a demo ever.. even if they are
commercial tracks..
PsychicS humm... yeah... vocals can grab attention indeed
what are your favorite scene coders/gfx/musicians?
flex My favourite coder has to be Statix.. i just cant grasp
that guys enormous brain!
PsychicS haha
flex Best graphician i think is Made or Sunday... Sunday has a
really great style and he doesnt repaint scans... Oh, and
i must say a few words about our graphician, NamNam... He is
very talented and he -never- repaints pics or scans.. He
does everything either straight from his head or from some
kind of picture he has seen... If he would redraw a scan, he
would most probably be around the best gfx dudes around..
Its nothing i encourage him to do though, since its
-abit- lame..
i really enjoy Mufflers music right now.. And Balrog has
nice variations in his tunes.. balrog never makes 2 mods
sound the same...
PsychicS i seen some of his pics on bloccs demos.. superfish had
some nice manga-style girls. was that him? or baloo?
flex no, that was NamNam..
a few words about planet superfish.. That demo isnt
really anything im proud over.. its way to messy..
but the noizy 3d-wireobject is cool
PsychicS yeah... u seem to like balrog... how many co-ops have
you done with him? 2?
u dont have much pride on your stuff do you?
flex hmm Ive made one demo together with Balrog i think..
w8 have to chech to be sure
PsychicS i think 2!
flex no, w8 2 demos with balrog.
na, ive never done anything that i can say ah, this is
me, and i cant do anything better... i always do too
short demos too, imo..
PsychicS humm... ur still after your second reality... :
flex hehe yeah.. i have this dream to like.. win assembly with
100 of the votes.
what coder doesnt?
PsychicS hahaha
i would be happy to just get a big-demo out! :D
anyways... more questions...
flex just get to it.
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altemarq FLEX AR NAKEN ed: what the?!?
*** altemarq has left demojournal
PsychicS time for demojournal youll never guess it top-quizz
PsychicS 1 what does FLEX AR NAKEN mean? ed: yeah...
flex i really have no idea.. ed: that bad, hei?
PsychicS 2 whats the capital of madagascar?
flex can u wait a few minutes on that one?
w8, isnt madagascar an island belonging to another country?
PsychicS no. its independent...
and its a damn big island!!!
flex like.. it doesnt have a capital?
ok, darn. hehehe that much i know.
PsychicS 3 whats the medium rain/cm3 per year on sweden?
flex hmm i would say around 20cm or so... maybe its more, i hate
the swedish weather.
hmm that doesnt sound alot, does it?
maybe 200cm? haha
PsychicS er... no it doesnt...
no wait... i got it wrong! ed: stupid!
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*** whzGARLIC has left demojournal ed: what is this? open season?
PsychicS its ccs per cm3 anyways...
flex hmm yeah, then 20cm sounds reasonable.
PsychicS 4 whats the flying speed of a seagull?
flex depends on if its an african or european seagull.
PsychicS 5 if a plane with english and french passengers crashes
on the swiss/germany frontier, where are the survivors
burried?
PsychicS flex: hei! u seen monthy pythons!!!! :P
editor: i think in the movie it was not about seagulls but some
other bird... never the less, nice one flex!
flex bury the survivors? sounds abit nasty..
PsychicS of course you realize i must kill you now dont you? :P
flex no! no! i have a wife and kids!
PsychicS u do? :P
you have a family picture to prove that?
flex hmm no.. that was just a defense mechanism.
PsychicS hehe what about your real life? no luck with the opposite
sex? :
flex naa, im actually blessed with a great exterior...
i dont have problems getting girls, to be honest..
editor: and you expect us to believe that?
PsychicS seeing anyone right now?
flex that doesnt sound right, but its true..
PsychicS haha
flex yeah, but shes ILL!.. its called kartel-feber in swedish..
so i cant see her for like.. 3 weeks or so, and she cant
drink any alcohol in 6 months.
PsychicS : too bad ed: the alcohol part of course!
flex yeah
PsychicS i think im running out of questions
care to say hello to someone?
flex Are these questions made out for you, or are you figuring
them out as you go along?
running out of questions- sounds like you reached the end
of the paper or something.
PsychicS no no... but i have done so many interviews i already
know the typical questions
flex hehe ok thee greetings then:
PsychicS its always... who are you, what u done lately, what do
you like doing, what u plan to do for the future, thats
nice... care to say grtx? ed: yeah... me too! ?
flex Id like to say hi to all the serious scene-people out
there, keep up da great work, lads!. And to all my
non-scene friends.. Happy 20th birthday Martin.... Oh,
and ofcourse my friends in the scene... And all the girls
i know and will get to know in the future aswell..
PsychicS hehe
flex Lets make the scene come alive for real the next millenium..
PsychicS care to say anything else? any free advertisement and
stuff?
flex Hm... Drink more alcohol! It feeds the cortex with needed
basic stuff for wonderful demo-ideas!
PsychicS haha! is beer better than vodka or not?
flex im not so keen on vodka.. but id rather drink a bottle of
tequilla than 20 beers!
tequilla rules..
PsychicS ok... i guess this is it
leave some urls or email or smtg so ppl can get in
touch
flex i think this is to long for any normal person to read
already. yeah, my email addy is mjflex@hotmail.com...
thats about it i guess..
gonna put up some blocc homepage someday too..
www.blocc.gov or something
PsychicS haha ok! :
thx for your time! :
flex great.. no prob.. !
Session Close: Wed Jan 06 05:07:26 1999
! demo !
2 by Eastgate final-version
Found on www.hornet.org.
Hornet is still up and www.scene.org is down... Its a conspiracy!
1st place at Scene Strike 3.
System requirements:
5 MB HD, some memory...
recommended: VESA2 8-bit mode available according .nfo-file,
pentium 166
The demo:
It starts with a colorfull plasma-like thingy, then Eastgate is
shown using little blue lights, like some adverts at the street. A
girl-face picture is shown, with some water-effect over it lots of
water in this demo. Thereafter, lots of 3D-objects kick in.
Spikeballs you know, a ball with 6 points, spikes a spikeball
without the ball in water, a cloud of asteroids, ... These are
all quite simple objects, apparently their 3d-engine cant handle
the +10000 face-objects we are used to see in todays demos.
Something original: some golden frames, forming a tunnel, with two
strange-looking spikeballs in it. It took me a while to figure it
out, but these are glass-objects, not just glenz as in the old days,
but really refracting the light in it like a lens-effect.
Also a very nice tunnel, a bit twisted at the edges, is shown
during the greetings.
The music is something electronic, but also relaxed. It fits the
demo but gets a bit repetitive at the end. There are some hand-drawn
gfx of Ilke/plasmaters, an Amiga-graphician, but no compressed video
as in Anger I liked those short clips.
Although there are few repeating parts, I think 2 is a bit short
for a 5-meg demo. Using pkzip, I get a 2-meg zipfile. Maybe they need
to use some compression on there library. And I really hate it when
demos repeat the end until you press ESC. Cant you just crash to
DOS/Win/Linux/... ?
Psychic Symphony recommended me this one, and I really liked it.
Give it a try. ed: I did? Oh yeah... so i did!
Seven
! intro !
* STRIKE *
Its very simple: If no one sends me some modoweek i cannot keep
up with this corner. It has been sufficently proven that i cannot
review intros, for several reasons: 1 i do not know asm so i can not
keep up with size-coding abilities. 2 i dont have GUS so i cannot
hear any sound on most of the intros. 3 people dont like my intro
reviews.
I am asking you to please send your text. Please do not review your
own intros but someone elses you may have liked or have been asked to
review. It is not that hard!
If i dont get any texts i WILL close this corner simply enough!
No matter what people will say! I do admire what people do with only
64k, but we have another example, the gfx of the week! I also am very
fond of viewing others gfx still i do not have a gfxoweek corner.
Why? Because i cannot do a proper review of the pictures and those
who DO can, do not want to write.
One more time, i plea for your help!
Psychic Symphony
! mod !
OK! This week i have something different. Hope you dont hate it!
What i did was go to trax at 6am and asked someone victim is
called goopin about his favorite tune!
PsychicS whats your favorite tracked music? not musician
goopin hmm subbass in my house from keith303
PsychicS why that tune? why do you like it?
goopin lovely rythm!
its very well performed, both melody and rythm
PsychicS what about the samples? can you say something about them?
goopin as we all know, keith is a great sampler
well what more can i say ?
PsychicS goopin: about keith303...
goopin hmmmm okay...
i think keith303 is one of the best trackers on the scene
right, he doesnt release SO often, but when he does....
his tracks are well made.. he takes his time
PsychicS goopin: can u say something more about the tune?
goopin subbas in my house? well no
PsychicS Please try!
goopin hmmm okey, ill try hmmm
its a remix as we all now,
i have said it all
PsychicS if you had read that would you go download subbass in my
house?
goopin psychic: well no
PsychicS there you go... say more!
goopin write like this:
if you want pure house pleasure download this tune, and then
go around and screw ya balls
hehehe :
i would download it RIGHT AWAY
editor: You can find subbass in my house by Keith303 at the
Tokyo Dawn Records homepage: tdr.scene.org Release 33
! quote !
Subject: Re: test message
From:
Reply-To: demoj@scene-hu.com ed: LOOK!!!! REPLY-TO!!!! HINT HINT!!!
To: demoj@scene-hu.com
Why do i have my mailbox full of demoj@scene-hu.com mails?
editor: Whats a mailing list?
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Spamsrus
To all of those who havent noticed it yet, you are all just
spamming some more when you reply to a spam...
I asked for the mailing list, i gave the names off the hotmail
account to the mantainer so he could subscribe everyone in one full
scoop! I did it because: 1 i want my mouse button to live!
2 I dont want to get tendinites just for releasing a newsletter!
3 I got several people complaining that hotmail attachments always
ended up corrupted or ueencoded.
I apologize to everyone for not warning properly everyone of this
mailing-list. I reckonned people would realize that when they seen
the reply of someone posted twice and be smart enough to ignore the
messages. Instead they just complained about getting more mails
which generated more mails and more replys and the rest is history.
Anyways... Let me get this article about mailing lists right so
that there are no more doubts about how it works. Recall that i dont
know much on it aswell. In fact, i would like to encourage someone
to write about them to some diskmag! Anyways...
What is a mailing list? Well... Its very simple. Its a mailing
system that forwards the message you have sent to all the people
who are subscribed to that list! Moving on...
You have a mailing list on a certain domain... For demoj it was
chosen to be scene-hu.com!
All mailing lists on this domain are updated by the majordomo
so that if you want any information about any mailing list on this
domain you get it through majordomo@scene-hu.com.
But how does majordomo work? You write your command on the BODY of
the message! It is important that you do not write it on the subject
or majordomo wont recognize it!!! Examples:
subscribe demoj subscribes you to demoj@scene-hu.com
unsubscribe demoj unsubscribes you to demoj@scene-hu.com
who demoj who is subscribed to demoj@scene-hu.com
Notice no or or whatever!!! Plain command letters only. Now,
the commands of the majordomo depend on what the owner of the domain
set... But for scene-hu.com they are like this! Some domains have
options for choosing which email to subscribe or unsubscribe from the
mailing list.
Also depending on the domain you can get several diferent replys,
some ask for you to retype some data so you can confirm your
subscribing/unsubscribing. Others plain ask for a reply with a blank
message! Its important that you READ what they want!!!
There! I hope some people have become more alert. It still was my
fault because i subscribed everyone without proper warning. But
please direct you anger to me and not the mailing-list! It will only
spam everybody else and wont solve anything...
Psychic Symphony
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